Very interesting, I think! 🙂
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Waldensians & The Papacy—One View of Why the Pope Finally Apologized to the Waldensians in Italy
by Janet Swerdlow | May 15, 2016 | In The News, Janet's Articles | 14 comments
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Thank you for presenting this video Janet. As a (still) SDA member, it reminds me of much that I learned about the Catholic Church in my early years and the importance of choice, following what you believe, and staying on track. As you and Stewart continue to wisely tell us: Time is of the essence.
Thank you for presenting this video Janet. As a (still) SDA member, it reminds me of much that I learned about the Catholic Church in my early years and the importance of choice, following what you believe, and staying on track. As you and Stewart continue to wisely tell us: Time is of the essence.
When you first reported on the story about the Pope’s apology to the Waldensians, I wondered what it was about. You’ve spoken many times about getting into the frequency to be able to be heard. I guess that’s what’s going on here. I cannot understand why the Waldensian’s have accepted the apology really. I find it very difficult to forgive what they did to all those people.
What happens formally may not be what happens informally. I am sure that in Italy, if the Pope wants to apologize to you, you have no choice but to accept it whether you want to or not. My feelings is that there will be a division amongst the Waldensians around the world on this one–which of course still goes back to divide and conquer. Thank you for bringing this up.
Yes, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
When you first reported on the story about the Pope’s apology to the Waldensians, I wondered what it was about. You’ve spoken many times about getting into the frequency to be able to be heard. I guess that’s what’s going on here. I cannot understand why the Waldensian’s have accepted the apology really. I find it very difficult to forgive what they did to all those people.
What happens formally may not be what happens informally. I am sure that in Italy, if the Pope wants to apologize to you, you have no choice but to accept it whether you want to or not. My feelings is that there will be a division amongst the Waldensians around the world on this one–which of course still goes back to divide and conquer. Thank you for bringing this up.
Yes, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Wow, this was a real eye-opener for me in terms of the atrocities committed against the Waldenses. The kind of sexual violence against those who speak the truth shows the debasement that the perpetrators must have gone through probably via secret societies/rituals!
It is common for the common man in India to talk of american’s and europenas as not having any morality when it comes to family values. I can understand now why it is important to know the history (true history) of a people before judging them to be such and such. As an example, the influence of secret societies and their sexual sacrifices that mold the thinking of a people. I was shocked when in the states to find that all my indian friends would have extreme prejudices against americans without any first hand experience to support their thinking! And when I made friends with and lived with americans, they were just like me! I was especially surprised how close americans were to their family…we are sooo alike 😀 But everyone already knows what to think of the other group! It’s so frustrating.
I have uncles who have settled in the states and have children who are american citizens and they have zero “friends” who are american. This is shocking and beyond comprehension for me: how can you comment about a different group of people without experiencing their culture first hand. Of course, I am not allowed to come to any conclusions that they have not already come to. If everyone, especially the average person knew or at least tried to understand the “other” race/country/religion, they would quickly recognize that there is no other 🙂
Although there were atrocities committed against good people in India too, the peace that India has experienced historically for 1000’s of years is something I am very grateful for. Buddha was not crucified. It is common for the average person here to say that moksha (liberation) is the ultimate goal of life. (even if they don’t know what they mean). I can understand now why many researchers are pushing for a better understanding of our own history and that of the colonizers. Nothing can beat knowledge and wisdom. I need to be proud of myself for the ancient wisdom that has flourished here in india for many thousand years and at the same time thankful of my fellow beings in europe/america for bringing technology/human consciousness to where it is today in the modern time. There is no need to denigrate/demonize either myself or white-people. The way we think right now is a disaster. We have to come together as a people.
Thank you for taking the time to watch that lengthy piece on the Waldensians. I believe that each race/culture represents a different frequency/mind-pattern within the Mind of God. Each aspect is therefore important and needs to be valued for its uniqueness, not vilified because it is “different”. It is a blessing that we are different. As I often state, if you want to discuss “what is an elephant” if you look at the tail and I look at the trunk, we are both correct. But if you don’t see the trunk and I don’t see the tail, then we call each other incorrect and could even fight about “what is an elephant”. I believe here in the US we as a populace are an experiment to break up and isolate the family. This is why when people first immigrated here, their names were changed. My great-grandfather was born and baptized French: Jean Bartolomy; then, when the country of Savoie was given to Italy, his name was changed to Giovanni Bartolome; then when he came to the states he was officially renamed “Jhom” (yes, that is an “m” at the end as in “Mary”) and no middle name given, and in the states he was called simply “John”. So to trace the family history without knowing what I know, would be impossible. I know many other people who tell me the names of their family members were changed at immigration “Americanized”. I also know Europeans whose names were changed when the borders were changed due to war. Again, using Italy as an example, my cousin tells me that many people who used to have French surnames were “Italianized” –SHE knows what they used to be, but it will eventually be lost. And her first language is the name of my grandparents, simply called “patois” –she has this language, which is the language of her mother and her father is Waldensian from another town, so she knows the language of her father, too. Then in school she had to learn Italian the official language of her country, which was established in 1861. Waldensians did not receive religious freedom in Italy until 1984. On the East Coast of the US it is easier for them to keep in contact with their heritage than those who moved to the midwest and west coast where many people do not even know where their original family is from. Here, you are encouraged to separate from your family as soon as possible, to be “independent’; military and corporations move their people around on a regular basis to help achieve this goal. So, yes, the more you understand a culture and its history, the more you understand the people. Keeping us divided serves the purpose of the global handler, but not of the individual. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts on all of these circumstances. This is how we learn to appreciate all the beautiful aspects projected out upon this planet by the God-Mind. 🙂
Yes, thank you 🙂
Wow, this was a real eye-opener for me in terms of the atrocities committed against the Waldenses. The kind of sexual violence against those who speak the truth shows the debasement that the perpetrators must have gone through probably via secret societies/rituals!
It is common for the common man in India to talk of american’s and europenas as not having any morality when it comes to family values. I can understand now why it is important to know the history (true history) of a people before judging them to be such and such. As an example, the influence of secret societies and their sexual sacrifices that mold the thinking of a people. I was shocked when in the states to find that all my indian friends would have extreme prejudices against americans without any first hand experience to support their thinking! And when I made friends with and lived with americans, they were just like me! I was especially surprised how close americans were to their family…we are sooo alike 😀 But everyone already knows what to think of the other group! It’s so frustrating.
I have uncles who have settled in the states and have children who are american citizens and they have zero “friends” who are american. This is shocking and beyond comprehension for me: how can you comment about a different group of people without experiencing their culture first hand. Of course, I am not allowed to come to any conclusions that they have not already come to. If everyone, especially the average person knew or at least tried to understand the “other” race/country/religion, they would quickly recognize that there is no other 🙂
Although there were atrocities committed against good people in India too, the peace that India has experienced historically for 1000’s of years is something I am very grateful for. Buddha was not crucified. It is common for the average person here to say that moksha (liberation) is the ultimate goal of life. (even if they don’t know what they mean). I can understand now why many researchers are pushing for a better understanding of our own history and that of the colonizers. Nothing can beat knowledge and wisdom. I need to be proud of myself for the ancient wisdom that has flourished here in india for many thousand years and at the same time thankful of my fellow beings in europe/america for bringing technology/human consciousness to where it is today in the modern time. There is no need to denigrate/demonize either myself or white-people. The way we think right now is a disaster. We have to come together as a people.
Thank you for taking the time to watch that lengthy piece on the Waldensians. I believe that each race/culture represents a different frequency/mind-pattern within the Mind of God. Each aspect is therefore important and needs to be valued for its uniqueness, not vilified because it is “different”. It is a blessing that we are different. As I often state, if you want to discuss “what is an elephant” if you look at the tail and I look at the trunk, we are both correct. But if you don’t see the trunk and I don’t see the tail, then we call each other incorrect and could even fight about “what is an elephant”. I believe here in the US we as a populace are an experiment to break up and isolate the family. This is why when people first immigrated here, their names were changed. My great-grandfather was born and baptized French: Jean Bartolomy; then, when the country of Savoie was given to Italy, his name was changed to Giovanni Bartolome; then when he came to the states he was officially renamed “Jhom” (yes, that is an “m” at the end as in “Mary”) and no middle name given, and in the states he was called simply “John”. So to trace the family history without knowing what I know, would be impossible. I know many other people who tell me the names of their family members were changed at immigration “Americanized”. I also know Europeans whose names were changed when the borders were changed due to war. Again, using Italy as an example, my cousin tells me that many people who used to have French surnames were “Italianized” –SHE knows what they used to be, but it will eventually be lost. And her first language is the name of my grandparents, simply called “patois” –she has this language, which is the language of her mother and her father is Waldensian from another town, so she knows the language of her father, too. Then in school she had to learn Italian the official language of her country, which was established in 1861. Waldensians did not receive religious freedom in Italy until 1984. On the East Coast of the US it is easier for them to keep in contact with their heritage than those who moved to the midwest and west coast where many people do not even know where their original family is from. Here, you are encouraged to separate from your family as soon as possible, to be “independent’; military and corporations move their people around on a regular basis to help achieve this goal. So, yes, the more you understand a culture and its history, the more you understand the people. Keeping us divided serves the purpose of the global handler, but not of the individual. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts on all of these circumstances. This is how we learn to appreciate all the beautiful aspects projected out upon this planet by the God-Mind. 🙂
Yes, thank you 🙂